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They are great reads. They have a web site that is well organized. It may be interesting for you and a way to escape for a while from reality. Thats always a good thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-43075822972986135032007-06-22T03:06:00.000+04:002007-06-22T03:06:00.000+04:00Intersession then reminds me of shamanism.(in that...Intersession then reminds me of shamanism.(in that sense autocratic scripture;) It is rather obvious to me that any spiritual entity would have a hard time communicating with usual people in their usual moods and with their usual hardships. <BR/>(i personally often find it near impossible to accept other peoples thoughts , just because they don't make sense to me on an intimate level)<BR/><BR/>Actually this makes me think of budhism. Since in budhism everyone relates to the same spiritual plan they don't need intersession so much? I suppose because theirs spiritual entity (god etc.,i think it is the ummah) is a more common denominator of all people. In practice a mullah would just find more time for meditation and communion.<BR/><BR/>is this what sticks behind all that intersession stuf?onixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03063983314231972946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-54662282945075302932007-06-11T06:05:00.000+04:002007-06-11T06:05:00.000+04:00Kid and all the regulars here,Here's a blog entry ...Kid and all the regulars here,<BR/><BR/>Here's a blog entry in which I organized the Iraqi bloggers by year and month of first appearance on the scene.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://jarrarsupariver.blogspot.com/2007/06/lets-catch-wave.html" REL="nofollow">Let's Catch a Wave!</A><BR/><BR/>Check it out and let me know who I missed.<BR/><BR/>*Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-2935890055831819532007-06-11T01:28:00.000+04:002007-06-11T01:28:00.000+04:00kid, what are your personal thoughts regarding int...kid, what are your personal thoughts regarding intercession?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-23334099862576720992007-06-10T21:25:00.000+04:002007-06-10T21:25:00.000+04:00Exactly anonoymous, and the reason for this is the...Exactly anonoymous, and the reason for this is the Sufi method was the official recognized religion by the Ottoman caliphate.ahmedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17104880505765835826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-36528747640568368252007-06-10T20:42:00.000+04:002007-06-10T20:42:00.000+04:00Intercession is a continuation of the practices of...Intercession is a continuation of the practices of pre-Islam Arabs. They believed in God, but they revered idols and statues representing angels or "smaller" gods who would intercede with God on their behalf.<BR/><BR/>Also, almost all the Sunnis of Iraq were influenced by Sufism, except a minority of Sunnis with roots in the Arabian desert near Basrah. Salafi and extremist thoughts only entered Iraq during the last two decades or so, and the process has sped up after the U.S. invasion. Sunni extremists started blowing up the shrines of Sufi figures that they have revered for centuries. The practice of visiting Sunni shrines (Abu Hanifa, Gailani, Sheikh Marouf, etc.) has been completely abandoned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-60040960356975420922007-06-10T02:06:00.000+04:002007-06-10T02:06:00.000+04:00Iraq in two years?<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Vw402IaII" REL="nofollow">Iraq in two years?</A>programmer craighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17566950406349754166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-70300680445899643452007-06-09T23:55:00.000+04:002007-06-09T23:55:00.000+04:00Correct me if im wrong, but isnt the concept of in...Correct me if im wrong, but isnt the concept of intercession explained in the Quran??<BR/><BR/>The Holy Quran has numerous verses which identify the validity of intercession. These verses go on to identify who will be able to intercede...here are some:<BR/><BR/>"No one will have the power to intercede (with Allah), except for him who has taken a covenant with the All-beneficient" (19:87)<BR/><BR/>"Those whom they invoke besides Him have no power of intercession, except those who are witness to the truth and who know (for whom to intercede)" (43:86)<BR/><BR/>“Intercession is of no avail with Him except for those whom he permits. When fear is lifted from their hearts they say, ‘What did your Lord say?’ They say, ‘The truth, and He is the All-exalted, the All-great.’ (34:23)<BR/><BR/>This does NOT mean that anyone can obtain forgiveness of sins through intercession...it will only work for individuals with a high level of piety. <BR/><BR/>So a message to the worthless pieces of scum that live amongst us...u wont get away with ur crimes that easily, and if u think u will...think again!Kittenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13223141763083983230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-69914883183978949202007-06-09T22:49:00.000+04:002007-06-09T22:49:00.000+04:00ShaqiSo, okay, maybe a psychologically dysfunction...<I>Shaqi</I><BR/><BR/>So, okay, maybe a psychologically dysfunctional Robin Hood.<BR/><BR/>Have you ever seen the movie <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gods_Must_Be_Crazy" REL="nofollow">The Gods Must be Crazy</A>? The cannon story reminds me a little of the people's reactions to the Coke bottle in the movie. It's an hysterically funny movie, btw. The first one that is. It was made in the 80's.Lynnette In Minnesotahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04504253680601566235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-36939822660702031992007-06-09T21:06:00.000+04:002007-06-09T21:06:00.000+04:00im sorry u seem to be confused about sunni doctrin...im sorry u seem to be confused about sunni doctrine... many sunni scholars are clearly against the shiia type of interecession. those sunnis ali al-wardi is referring to are the sufi/sufi-influenced laymen sunnis. please let's refer things to their doctrinal sources, not what the laymen do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-1379516024388175542007-06-09T19:01:00.000+04:002007-06-09T19:01:00.000+04:00Yes Penguin, you are right in that it does not rep...Yes Penguin, you are right in that it does not represent doing as you please as long as you have intercession, while intercession is still a firm principle in Shiism, it looks to me as it was much stronger in the past, and it still just as strong for some people. Still, to understand explotiation of intercession to any figure, which is common, is important. consider people who voted for 555 simply because they fear hellfire if they don't since Sistani blessed it, or people who believe that a good devout Sunni would go to hell and a drunk troublemaking Shiite would go to heaven.ahmedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17104880505765835826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-14419636253052379742007-06-09T18:30:00.000+04:002007-06-09T18:30:00.000+04:00Kid,I totally understand the core fundamentals of ...Kid,<BR/><BR/>I totally understand the core fundamentals of Al Wardi's argument.. but in my opinion he's making the same mistake.. Hasan Kibreet's story sounds familiar but it seems that it's over-blown to the extent that it portrays those who believe in intercession as criminals who cling onto saintly figures to be saved from God's wrath.. It's not like that.. I am a firm believer in intercession but that doesn't mean that I take sins or crimes or deviant acts lightly..<BR/><BR/>Craig is spot on when he points out the seemingly-contradictory nature of this argument.. but.. isn't God's Mercy beyond our limited comprehension? I'm not implying that criminals may get away for simply hanging onto Ali and Fatima and Hasan and Hussein.. Whilst God is merciful, He is just.. a verse in the Quran clearly states that those who sin are not seen in the same level as those who don't.. sinners might get the help of an intercessor, but they will definitely get the punishment they deserve.. God's justice is undisputed, that's a core belief that's just as fundamental as intercession..<BR/><BR/>With regards to Iraqis today, I'll be absolutely and unreservedly blunt.. I dont know what's happening amongst Sunni religious factions, but as far as the Shias are concerned, it seems that they are spoon-fed a very personal understanding of religion.. it's so personal that it's not even the one that Al Sayed al Sistani, the most senior scholar, teaches.. it's the viewpoint of a few well-funded politicians who hold majalis and discuss politics with a hint of religion.. it's sad and i've complained about this to many many scholars..<BR/><BR/>RegardsLittle Penguinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04702132422411804440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-71139449869562930552007-06-09T18:08:00.000+04:002007-06-09T18:08:00.000+04:00It is very much like the way Catholics hope for in...It is very much like the way Catholics hope for intercession by their favourite saints. Also, some of the images of Ali look remarkably like the standard images of Jesus. Nobody knows what Jesus actually looked like, and I guess this is true of Ali too._______Thanks for doing more translation. Bush should have read this book before invading.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-59352144331400203342007-06-09T13:58:00.000+04:002007-06-09T13:58:00.000+04:00for al-Qaeda-type, I don't think intercession amou...for al-Qaeda-type, I don't think intercession amounts to anything because they are Wahhabis, Sunnis who are influenced by such things today are a lot less than what al-Wardi talks about here, most of them are Sufi-inclined, like sheikh Abdil-Qadar al-Gilani (the Sunni mosque which was attacked a few days ago). Still, i still think this article sheds a general light on how people can act in two very contrasting ways.ahmedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17104880505765835826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14721025.post-64680498063087271722007-06-09T11:52:00.000+04:002007-06-09T11:52:00.000+04:00Interesting reading, Kid :)Today, the principle of...Interesting reading, Kid :)<BR/><BR/><I>Today, the principle of intercession has faded from the forefront of Sunnis, who claim to ‘ask God alone’. Perhaps influenced by Wahaabism, anyway, it is clear from al-Wardi that a few centuries Sunnis were just as attached to intercession as Shiites.</I><BR/><BR/>When I read it, it made perfect sense to me. I know Christians who are the same way... it's a little different, but many Christians think that because Jesus died for our sins (that's a core Christian belief) that they are free to sin as much as they want, and as long as they have faith in Jesus as their Lord and Savior, that everything is fine. It doesn't work that way - and anybody who reads Christian scripture carefully can see where Jesus himself says that he will deny many of his followers. Very nerve wracking.<BR/><BR/>Anyway... about the section of your post that I quoted... how can Sunnis do the things they do (suicide bombing, murder, kidnapping, all that stuff) and still call themselves Muslim, if they don't expect this "intercession"?<BR/><BR/>A Muslim murdering a Muslim, for instance. I can read scripture as well as the next guy, even if it's Islamic scripture. There is *no way back* from that. Period. How does somebody expect God to forgive them for a sin that God himself has said is unforgivable? 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