Saturday, March 03, 2007

Saddam bin Hussein and Hussein bin Ali

"For you are Hussein and I am Hussein, and today we shall see which Hussein will come triumphant."
- Hussein Kamel, Saddam's son-in-law, addressing Imam Hussein's shrine in Kerbala during the 1991 Shiite revolution.


Due to the differences between the Hijri Islamic calendar, based on the moon, and the universally adopted Gregorian Sun-based calendar, the Islamic one is shorter by 11 days, as a result, in about three years, the Gregorian date for the execution-martyrdom of one Saddam-Hussein will take place suspiciously near the Imam Hussein mythical one back in the Hijri 10th of Muharram, 680 AD.

This post is delievered to you in the accompaniment of the Imam Hussein's Arbaieen, which is an Arab tradition to honor the 40th day after the mourning day of the actual date for the person's death. Preferably listen to this flagellation piece while reading, and also, it doesn't hurt to check out this new item about Saddam's upcoming bio-(e)pic, wattnun madda!

Imam Hussein, the eternal revolutionnary, the ship of safety, the ongoing crusade against tyranny all across the world, and Saddam Hussein, the very crystallization of all the principles against the historical Imam fought for, and lost, and died.

Coming from parallel universe these two men might be, but there is one enchanting similarity between the two which I felt interesting to share with you.

In 680 AD, Muwaiya, the caliph, has designated his son, Yazid, as his heir, hinting about an intention to hold a dynasty, a first occurence in the new Islamic state. Most of the Muslims, either grudgingly or not, wishing no further bloodshed, agreed upon this, a few prominent figures in Mecca tried to delay the matter of their response, and Imam Hussein was one of them, twenty years earlier, Imam Hussein's father, the celebrated Imam Ali, had fought a bloody civil war with Muawiya, Ali's forces were centered in Kufa, the first Islamic city built in Iraq, and his army was called the Iraqi army, while Muawiya was the emir of Sham (Levant, modern day Jordan, Syria, Palestine and Lebanon), and his army was called Shammi army, Imam Ali was almost victorious when the stubborness of his own men brought him into a stalemate, all his attempts to rekindle the vigour and zeal of rightesouness afterwards fell on deaf words, and he was so sick of them that at the end he wished that he never came to them. After Ali was killed by a renegade force of his own army, his elder son, Imam Hasan, being a peace-lover and seeing that his shaky, reluctant troops were no match for Muawiya's suave political abilities, settled on ending the war and that Muawiya becomes Caliph. As soon as Yazid assumed caliphate however, Imam Hussein began receiving letters from his father's followers in Kufa, urging him to come to them and declare rebellion, being eager to reclaim his rightful title, he ignored all advice about the riff-raff nature of the Kufians, and that they were the same people who failed his father two decades ago, he marched to Kufa in 680 AD, and sent his cousin, Muslim bin Aqeel, as a scout to look into the matter, at that time, Hussein's followers were nearly 18,000 men in Kufa. The Umayyads would not remain silent over this dangerous threat, having just sustained their foothold back in the upper layer of the Arab society after a lull of 40 years, and they knew the reluctance of the Kufians well, the emir of Kufa, Ubaidullah Bin Zeyad, sent his own men into the masses and they began discouraging people skillfully by threats and promises, and pretty soon enough the once proud force Aqeel gathered dwindled to about thirty men, and he was shortly killed thereafter. Hussein was on route upon hearing the news, and shortly thereafter he was intercepted and prevented from returning back whence he came, and was savagely killed with his 80 men by the very same followers of his in the Battle of Kerbala, not a single soldier of the army which surrounded him was from Sham, all were Iraqis.

The Iraqis would soon feel regret for their shameful actions, and little by little people would come and visit his shrine, feeling an alarming guilt consicence that only got bigger and bigger over the years...

This is the story of Imam Hussein, it is the final straw that broke the unity camel's back of the Muslim nation and it still embarrasingly is a source of tensions that plague us until today.

The story of Saddam Hussein, however, is the stuff of which black comedies of the darkest of the dark are made of, The moustached man has spent the better part of his last years in seeking a monument to retain his personal majesty, he tried all the tried methods: writing glorious roman a clefs, erecting huge Nebuchanedzzar-like monuments where every brick has his initials,or going on a campaign of a Saddam statue for every Iraqi of the 28 million inside the blasted little country. Before, he was a mere tyrant, yes, he was feared by some, respected by others, but by a little extraordinary performance at the gallows, Saddam, always the showman, has climaxed an inventive carrier at the little screen and has achieved the one thing he has purusing all his lifetime, Saddam is now a mythical figure in the Arab folklore, one who is now looked for between the heavenly celestial bodies, or by his assprint on the moon, one whose soul is sensed in the gatherings of nationalistic conferneces. And what could you do but laugh and hoot at the sight of a nation which spans from the Atlantic to the Pacific, toasting for the memory of a man who enslaved, killed, committed genocide, and just about tortured his country in every possible way?

Saddam's similarity with Imam Hussein is in that Arabs today are doing for Saddam Hussein what Shiites did for Hussein some 1300 years ago, treating him with a reluctant zeal born not from that is mostly indifference while he was alive, but once he is dead - he is immediately subscribed with the pantheon of the holies, each in their comparative league, of course. There are justifications for this, Both Shiites back then and Arabs today are on the losing side, when you lose, you tend to search for answers in your own ideology and immediately begin demonizing the other side (Jews/Americans in our case, all Sunni rulers in Shiites case) as fearfully as possible, of course, Imam Hussein is an immediate grandson for the Prophet Muhammed, and this is simply too tempting to just dangle about in the air for people who are getting persecuted mercilessly during the Abbasid and Umayyad times, so the addition of a few supernatural flairs such as knowning the future and the doom of his adventure but doing it anyway, adding those traits to his already growing mystique was not only predictable but almost inevitable. Saddam Hussein, to his unfortunate luck, was born in unmythical times, and this would limit his stature to a mere hero and national pride for the Arab nation - the Arab world is currently locked in the mentality that America is a direct or indirect enemy, due to their support for Israel, and they seek people who can recompsenate our own idleness and reliance on Western products and culture everywhere in people such as Saddam Hussein, who stands defiantly in the face of his blank executioner, who looked cowardly in sock he wore over his head. For in the Arab mind, another Battle of Kerbala has taken place, only televised and brought to the living room, right before their naked eyes, indeed, if anything, why is not the United States Yazid I, in his far-reaching tyranny, and why is not Nuri al-Maliki, why, Ubaidallah bin Ziyad, the cruel emir of Kufa, and what comes if indeed Saddam Hussein, is the Hussein bin Ali, the martyr of justice and the redeemer of religion, reincarinated?

Let us suppose that hypothetically Iran goes crazy and invades all the Arab countries, liberating Shiites everywhere and resurrecting the glories of anceint Persia, would not Saddam Hussein be fondly remembered, reverred, and perhaps, if we were living a few thousand years back, semi-worshipped?


Baghdad, 2712 AD

We all huddled as the oracle was beginning her tale, she would tell it exactly the way she heard it from her mother, who heard it from her own mother, generation to generation, we pass the maqtal to future generations, we love it, and it is a way of our life, and we listen, ponder and cry for our own ailment. The days when our country was not yet awashed by the invaders from the west and the east, back when a cursed thing called oil was still in our country, before the great darkness began. On the light of the candle lamp, the oracle's features were grim, her eyes closed, and then suddenly she opened her eyes and began to tell the tale:

"In a small village in Tikrit, back when the times were pleasant and the meadows were yet green, happiness was filling the land and birds were chirping in the skies, a boy was born in the darkest of nights, and suddenly the moon came in full behind the raining clouds, and the glorious life-affirming cries of the small child came to open the silence. The mother stood silent and happy watching the baby in the father's arms...
"What shall we name him?"
"Crusher (Saddam), because he shall crush the unjust enemies."
and thereby comes the prophecy of the ancient prophet Mohammed, peace be upon be him, true, for he once said: "There comes a great darkness over my nation, when will grows scarce and the night grows long, but then comes Sadim*, and he refills the land with justice as it was filled with injustice, before he is lifted to his creator, and then injustice gets its chance to reign superme."

55 comments:

3EERAQIMEDIC said...
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Dave said...

...Assprint on the moon?!?!?

ROLFLMAO!!!

Chrysm said...

In regards to the theoretical reformation of the Persian empire... there's a movie coming out here in the U.S. soon by a legendary comic artist named Frank Miller.

It's a screen adaptation of his graphic novel "300", which tells the story of 300 of my people resisting and subsequently destroying the entirety of the army of the Persian Empire.

You may dislike your neighbor for a variety of reasons... personally I'm just hoping they've learned enough from the lessons of our collective pasts (both the ones referenced in your post here, and the story of Sparta, etc.) to realize that they'd never win.

And I apologize if I've directed more traffic than you're used to to your site here... but I believe in you.

Regards,

Zero

Iraqi Mojo said...

I would not be surprised if Arabs worship Saddam like Shia worship Imam Hussein.

EXzombie said...

they already have, saddam as an entity is far bigger now dead than the Hussein in the eyes of the arabs in Palistine, and others......!!!

Iran will retaliate against the upcomming movement from America....!!!
by targetting the GCC to stir a farce.....!!!

SAM said...

I'm afraid that hanging Saddam may have only made matters worse there in Iraq. Nothing like giving a cowardly butcher the importance of a hero.

Good writing, Kid. I always enjoy reading your take on things.

Lynnette in Minnesota said...

Good post, Kid. I love your way of putting things. Assprint on the moon! lol!

eshda3wa said...

amazing read
very good

as for the ppl thinking of saddam as a hero, damn them, damn them for having a mind so easy to forget, these ppl deserve a tyrant to rule them.
I was in london when saddam was hanged. A couple of arab men yelled at us in the street "its all ur fault"
excuse me mr, but arent u a refugee beacuse of this man ur mourning?
you make a very strong point here

iraqi mojo
shia do not worship immam hussain (as) ;)

Iraqi Mojo said...

'damn them for having a mind so easy to forget'

Many of them never knew about Saddam's atrocities, and sadly some of them believe that Iraqis who were killed by Saddam deserved it. They just don't understand - they think he was cooooooool. I had a Saudi Palestinian friend who told me in 2000 that Saddamihsain would be the next great ruler of the Arab world, like Nasser. In a way he was right, because the Arabs have high esteem for Saddam, like they have high esteem for Nasser. It is quite bizarre for me to watch and read about.

eshda3wa said...

iraqi mojo
how in this day n age can u not know?
the genosides the starving ppl, the atrocities he commited?

sure u hear stories of how hes the only arab man that would stand in the face of israel blah blah and his whole propaganda making him into the zeus of our time
but i find it very very hard to believe ppl dont know he was a tyrant. Iraqi voices all over the world, so many stories, pictures

IF ppl choose to look the other way,then i hope one day they get to have a tyrant like saddam control their lives, lets see then how theyll feel about other ppl thinking they deserve it.

its a really sensitive issue for me having lost ppl dear to my heart to saddams crimes. i can never understand the ppl that justify it,

Iraqi Mojo said...

I think most non-Iraqi Arabs do not truly understand what life was like under Saddam. I don't know why, and maybe it just seems this way to me, but most Arabs never knew what Saddam's regime did to the Iraqi people - this has become obvious since 2003. Anyway, that's in the past and Saddam is gone. If Iraqis want to keep Iraq together, they must forgive and look forward to a better future. We must work together to rebuild Iraq and keep it united. This may be a good start:

Read and sign this petition to amend the Iraqi constitution and the proposed oil law.

'We call upon the Iraqi people, all its sons and daughters who care about the unity of Iraq, its future and brotherhood among all its citizens, and who desire, after decades of degenerate life under despotism and dictatorship, a strong, united and independent state, to demand the removal of the several flaws in the constitution for the benefit of the Iraqi people and their rights and unity, and that such changes are to be implemented in complete transparency through presenting the suggested amendments for the participation of the people via the public media and the civil society organizations.'

Kyubai said...

Nice post indeed but please don’t discuss things when u don’t have enough background on them u r very good in political analysis but when it comes to Shiite doctrine I’m sorry but u r very week if u have just heard the story of Imam Al-Hussein don’t try to analyze such an event politically and I’m saying that not carried away by the built up legend I admit that there r a lot of stuff added but u can’t say it is nothing but a myth it is a truth as much painful and great. U can’t say that Imam Hussein revolution is a revolution for Shiite only it had a great effect on all Islam, u may say “Wow, this is too much” but I tell u it isn’t at all the revolution of Imam Hussein was not a political revolution to get to the chair, why? I should answer with these undeniable facts:
First Moawya started the corruption of caliphate u may say that I’m being too prejudice but the unfortunate truth is that I’m not since have u heard in the time of Abu Baker, Omar, Othman or Imam Ali, of a caliph having a big castle or hundreds of slaves and having bacchanal everyday with dancing and wine? (if this is how the prince of the believers is then how would an ordinary believer be?) In the time of the first caliphs the caliph was in the service of Islam and the people, and after that the caliph was served by the people and he is higher than Islam and for that Imam Hussein has started his revolution nothing less and if it wasn’t for him who knows how Islam would have been.
Second if u may do a little search u may find that Moawya used to write poetry and if u search all his poems u’ll never find one verse praising Islam or the prophet and some of his poems r very shameless so does such kind of a person is fit to be caliph?
And the last is a document written by Moawya himself (and u can find that if u search historical documents) in which he is assigning Omar bin Al-3as as a ruler of Egypt in which he say “مصر طعمة مني ما حييت” and that means that Egypt is a gift from him as long as he is alive and is that a way of a righteous caliph to act? Acting as if the Muslims land belongs to him and he may give them to whom he likes.
Well no I may consider the part that u’ve said that people claims that Imam Al-Hussein knew his fate while he actually didn’t well I’m not going to argue with u about knowing the future or not (even I could do that) but let’s say that Al-Hussein didn’t know and he went to Iraq and then he was surrounded so if he was caught of guard then he could easily got off hock since we all know that the truth that Moawya lost the real battle so Al-Hussein was able to give up and accept Moawya as caliph and then no one can open his mouth and that will be the real victory to Moawya but although Al-Hussein knew that he was going to be killed and also all his followers and that the women of the house of the prophet will be taken as slaves but he didn’t because he was fighting not for himself or for the caliphate but rather for the glory of Islam and for what is right so he knew his fate and he did accept it even for cost of his life.
In the end all can I say is if u r about to write a delicate post like this one please don’t take it so lightly and if u want to compare someone to Saddam u’ll never find a fit more suitable than Moawya himself since a lot of people now glorify him.
Thank u Kid for your post and may God bless u…

P.S. sorry for the long comment and after spending a lot of time on this comment I’ve decided to publish it as a post on my blog since I’m too lazy to write a new post so I hope that it doesn’t bother u.

sacredShit said...

As if Saddam the only tyrant damn to US media hype..see around you people..see the Arab leaders..and not mentioning the Gulf region...the ppl there think that freedom with new cars and hundreds of sex slaves from east Asia,and they just come and curse Saddam..damn it the whole are is rotting down

RhusLancia said...

Kid,
I wrote a post @ Iraqi Bloggers Central about Sabreen al-Janabi and included commentary from Riverbend, TAI, and you. The post is here.

I haven't heard any followup comments from you since the abduction and murder of up to 32 Iraqis by the Islamic State of Iraq in retaliation. Would you like to say anything about that either there or here?

Thanks

Anonymous said...

Sunni Arabs worship Saddam for the same reason they ignore the atrocities committed in Iraq today. It was,after all,mostly Kurds and Shia that were massacred. The Arab world catches fire when a Danish cartoon insults Mohammed,but you can hear a pin drop when 100 Shia are massacred. And that's just pathetic....

Omar said...

"but you can hear a pin drop when 100 Shia are massacred. And that's just pathetic...."

Well sure, but you can hear that same pin when 100 sunnis are massacred.... BTW, Shia and Sunni are not some sort of species as you make it sound, they are all human beings and Iraqis and you couldn't differentiate between them unless they told you.

Just a question, when you hear Shia and Sunna do you hear Catholics and Protestants, or do you hear good versus evil or human versus non-human or something similar? There is really no hope for Iraq.

And I hope you are not an Iraqi. It would be a shame if you were

One more thing: ANYONE who opposed Saddam was massacred; he didn't give a FUCK whether they were Shia Arabs, Sunnis Arabs or Sunni Kurds. Try to restrain you hate as all your type is doing is create more of it.

Aprilie said...

You really are Konfused!

Through Grace Peace said...

تبرىء الكلمات في القلوب

ثم همس الرب في قلوبنا...
الكلمات تصل حيث لا يقدر السلاح

سألنا حكيم قريتنا، كيف ينزل الدفء
على النفوس والشيطان
قد ألقى بسمومه المفضلة
خوفاً ويأساً وكراهية
على القلوب البريئة
كما الرماد من محرقة السعادة

كيف تنام عيون الايمان
وسرير الأمل
تفترشه ملاءة القنوط الشاحب
وعيون الحنث الفاسدة
تنتهك حرمة الكلمات المقدسة
وتسعد باغتيال هدايا السماء

وسألنا :كيف يبتسم الخير
ويصفع الكره الفضيلة من وجه الخجل
و أتباعه يشوهون ويحرفون فى نفوس ضحاياهم
حتى يصل الاعتقاد
بأن الإثم فضيلة والقتل عدالة والكره هو الحب

تحدث الحكيم
بصوته الخفيض وقال
أن للشيطان أتباع
يغتسلون في أنهار النبيذ في حادي*
وبعشق السخرية الفارغ
يحصدون نفوساً مغشوشة جنيت بمنجل الانتحار

مستحيل أن يكون الطريق إلى الفردوس مرصوفاً
بجثث الأبرياء - عبر نهرٍ من الدم
اعتنقوا مد الحق وجزره الرائع في قلوبكم
تقبّلوا الشك والعار أينما كانوا
لكي تدركوا أن النفس تسعد بالعطف وليس بالانتقام

سطع صوته كالضوء وقال:
ابحثوا بشجاعة في أعماق قلوبكم
بلا نفاق ولا خداع ولا إجحاف
وحين تلمسوا الايمان هناك
ستنزل الكلمات الالهيه دواءً للقلوب
مثل مطر أبدي يجذبه البحر دائماً
حتى يرتفع ليملأ حرم النفوس
بودٍ عميق هادىء ويغدو سلاماً
على شواطىء العزم الالهي.


[أرض الموتى في الأساطير الاغريقية*

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Sunnymous said...

Dude, kubba, you're criticizing Kid for not getting facts straight but you're actually worse. The battle was not between Mu'awiya and Hussein. It was Mu'awiya's son, Yezid, who was Caliph at the time. And, no, Yezid's army did not lose the battle, as you claimed. Hussein was surrounded with his family and handful of followers (they were about 70 people in total) by Omar bin Sa'ad bin Abi Waqqas's army, which was sent by Ubaid Allah bin Zeyad, who was the Emir of Kufa at the time and they were all slaughtered, save the women and Ali bin Hussein.

Marawi said...

"iraqi mojo
shia do not worship immam hussain (as) ;) "

Maybe not all. But when some call their sons "Abdul hussain" (and Islam teaches us that we are slaves only to Allah) and in moments when in need of help call out "Ya Hussain" (as if the dead somehow can protect them) the rest of us just can't help but wonder....

Aprilie said...

It's ok, sometimes it's the best state to breathe in.

nuh ibn zbigniew gondek said...

As salaam alaikum.

Jazakallah khair for shining light on this. I enjoyed reading it.

I am a Canadian Muslim and write short fiction, poetry, and news commentary for a Muslim audience base.

Please come by insha’Allah when you have a moment to read.

Wa salaama,

nuh ibn

Anastasia said...

I don't get what the big deal is about religion. Why can't people just accept that everyone's beliefs are differant, even if they're the same religion/ race/ sexuality/whatever. I think that's what the issue is. And when people are not knowledgeable of other religions and stuff.

I've met people who actually believe that if someone is a muslim they're going to blow something up. This, obiously, is not true. George Bush is protestant, and he's probably blown up more stuff than your average muslim. It's like a very sickening, very deadly game of pin the tail on the terrorist.

Ah, I think I'm getting way off track... Oh, well.

A&Eiraqi said...

Nice post Kid

Well, it's obvious that peopleare going to regard Saddam as a herro.

The problem as I think is about the way we read history, people consider many guys as leaders and they don't look for their sins, they don't look for everything those herros did apart from what they want to look at.

For example , many people consider Haron Al-Rasheed and many Abbassi's calips as great people, but no one askd himself how people were living during that time, did they see any democracy ?
It's not about Abbassis only but about many others.
One day Saddam will be mentioned as the man who fought all the enemies and was somewhat a miracle.

Marawi
I agree that shiites are wrong when they say (ya Hussien) but, about the names, in arabic Abd means servant.


Regards

Omar said...

No Anastasia, you are very much on track. We need more people who are sane like you.

Marawi said...

"I agree that shiites are wrong when they say (ya Hussien) but, about the names, in arabic Abd means servant."

Hmmm I don't know I was pretty sure 3bd means slave and servant is 5adem. If it was alright then how come Sunna don't call Abd ilHusain or 3bd Mohammed, doesn't sound right does it?

But if you are right then thank u for the correction :)

Again I want to point out that not all Shiites do this, nor agree with it, and me saying this doesn't mean I'm labeling any sect or religion as terrorist, wala abi arabi6 3a9a3i9, wala azaliq wayrat, yes we have our differences, but Islam is tolerant of other religions, so why not be tolerant of other sects of Islam?

It's just a discussion, sharing opinions, something I would do with Shiite friends. A simple conversation with exchange of differing views, without guns or ammunition or suicide bombers. It doesn't mean i don't believe Shiites should exist, it doesn't mean I want to impose my opinion on others, and it doesn't mean i don't think we can live together in peace.

Anonymous said...

Can't you guys just get over this story and move on? I mean really? Yeh, we know that Imam Al Hussain has fought against a much bigger army and lost (no surprise or divine result, duh). He had ambitions in power and paid the price!
simple as that. It was a brutal ending, yes, again but that is no a surprise in Iraq! isn't it?
Saddam was one of the history's biggest vicious criminals and dictators and Hanging him was, to me, an easy way out but move on people. Look forward. The religious/political Shiite leaders (can't technically separate them!) keep dragging people back to medieval times cause they want to stay in control!They are very clever, they use religion to control the poor and ignorant majority of the Iraqis. Sunni imams are less sophisticated in their ways and not as organized but they share the same dream. I feel sorry for Iraq and all the Iraqis. I can't see a way out for them- By Iraqi in Canada.

Anonymous said...

Salam,

Saddam lived his life trying to make Iraq and Iraqis into a better place/people, yet it was his misfortune that many Iraqis do not want to leave the ignorance of the Jahiliya nor stop collaborating and plotting against their country and people.

As for Imam Hussein, I am not a Shia, yet from the story you told he sounds like a person who was trying to cause a rebellion against the elected/chosen leadership and hence his execution would have been a just act (if indeed what you said is true).

Layth

Iraqi Mojo said...

Layth, you should try pulling your head out of your teez.

Melantrys said...

Hey, I understood that!

*applauds the Mojo*

commentator said...

A brave and well-written post, KKK, though I think a comparison with Ali ibn Abi Talib would be slightly more accurate. By the way, already people are mockingly "expecting" the return of Saddam's long-lost son Ali as the Mahdi.
http://tomaar.com/vb/showthread.php?t=29441

By the way, why is it then whenever people recount the story of Husayn, people conveniently fail to mention the 2,000,000 dinar stipend he received under Muawiyah, which Yazid was unwilling to continue?

Anonymous said...

To "Iraqi Mojo"

Are you offended that I said Husein Bin Ali deserved to die as per the stroy Konfused told, or, are you offended that I said Saddam was trying to make Iraq a better place?

If it is the first, then you are simply a sectarien Shia who cannot phathom or understand the truth of history no matter how it is explained (if they cut off our hands and legs, we will come crawling to you oh Hussein!).

If it is the second, then you are trying to please your american masters by repeating the lies they had instigated against the legitimate government of Iraq in order to pave the way for their invasion and occupation.

Iraq will be liberated at the hands of the brave men and women of the Resistance, then we will see where your voice of collaboration and sectarienism ends up.

Layth

Konfused Kid said...

Layth...

Unforuntately you are wrong on both accounts:

1. Saddam was a tyrant, a horrible ruler, and an unjust dictator in every sense of the world, no use in softening him up with phrases like a 'just ruler' or 'non-sectarain'..he's just shit and we all know this, it's just that conditions are worse those days so people are falling back on his days as 'good'.

2. al-Hussein come out on Yazid because Yazid's election was a suspect act, he was not a good man in even Sunni accounts and he was the first ruler who modelled the traditions of the 'unIslamic' ruler of the later Caliphs. his election was dictatorship in nature and this is what Hussein tried to fight, however, his men were unfortunately empty, and I believe he could've taken the secret resistance path better and await the chance to strike (like what the Abbasids did).

Anonymous said...

Konfused,

On the Saddam issue, the evidence is overwhelming that Iraq was a progressive nation under the leadership of the Baath government with advancements in technology, manufacturing, science, gender rights etc. prior to the 1991 US siege/embargo. In-fact, according to Unicef Iraq had above 90% literacy rate with strong social programs providing medicare and other basic necessities. The only thing Saddam was guilty of was not allowing dissent or alternative political parties, which is a perfectly acceptable trade-off.

On the Hussien Bin Ali issue, like I said, I am not Shia so I am not prone to be emotionally involved with the topic and make Hussein out to be some hero or martyr. From the story you related he was trying to overthrow the selected government by use of force. In any nation in any time of history this is considered a crime and is punishable by death, so I really do not see what the drama is all about. Now, you say the appointment of Yazid was unfair and that it was crooked, but all I can say is that you are creating excuses for Hussein with no shred of tangible evidence other than the hearsay of Hussein's followers.

Layth

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Layth-

He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.

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Oh- thanks, omar. I'm glad you feel that way, as well.

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