Wednesday, February 27, 2008

John Kerry Explains Sunni-Shiite Unity Myth

This contains some grade-A bullshit, but there are also some very true points, everything colored in red is bullshit, and the valid points are in blue, my comments are in italic bold.

"I sat with the governor of Anbar, the sheikhs, and I asked this question to them I said point blank: Is there anything pressuring you or forcing you to make a decision tomorrow about reconciling between Shia and Sunni and he looked at me and smiled and said no, not really. They're all playing a game, they're jockeying for power, they're jockeying for the oil revenue, they're jockeying for the ultimate confrontation (Kerry was talking specifically about a confrontation in modern-day Iraq, although it serves to remind you how far off Sunnis and Shias are religiously and not just politically) which has come to either peacefully or not, you know, in another way, in this struggle between Shia and Sunni, which incidentally ladies and gentlemen goes back to 682, there's a wonderful book out there called the Shia Revival (Shia biased obviously) by Vali Nasr (Iranian) and it traces the history of this struggle. and it goes back really to when Ali (not Ali, his son Hussein) the grandson of the Prophet Muhammed, who was slaughtered in the desert, they cut off their heads, took their heads back to Najaf (actually Kufa, Najaf didn't exist, but we can forgive that cuz Kufa is now a city in Najaf province) and posted them and then they took them to Damascus. and you know, ever since then, there's been this struggle, and guess how many there were in the desert fighting with Hussein, 72, does the number 72 ring a bell with you? That was the beginning of martyrdom (hilarious) and the whole theory now that if you kill yourself you'll go to paradise, 72 virgins are waiting for you and so on and so forth, (tear-laughter!) that's where it all began. This fight has been going on for a long time folks and we just stepped in the middle of it. Only what we did, was uncork a corker, because we took 20% (Kerry makes it seem as if Sunnis were always 20%. Historically we don't know about Sunni-Shia distribution prior to the Mongol invasion, but southern Iraqi bedouin tribes only converted to Shiism 200 years ago, since then that rate has been growing - as compared to the 60% figure today, a British 1919 census put Shia population at 53%) of the population that used to run this county, and the 60% Shia that never could and now the 60% Shia have the ballet votes which you know they could never have achieved by the sword, and the 20% who were running the place for the past 1300 years (right but in a wrong context, the Sunni rule was often interrupted by Persian Shia intermissions (Buwyahids, Saffavids, and partly Today) and there's an importance in the fact that Shias were for most of their history after the occultation of Mahdi in a passive standby state until he re-emerges, hence the lack of resistance) are saying: wait a minute, something's wrong ; and that's what's going on. You can't resolve it with our military. "

Link (Real, scroll to 27 min)

22 comments:

CMAR II said...

Ah yes! John Kerry! The man who said in 1998 (I saw the interview at the time) that
--while we'd have to do a dance with inspectors for a bit--
an invasion of Iraq, and deposal of Saddam ultimately would be necessary and inevitable. Johnn Effing Kerry, the adamant backer of the invasion in 2002 and 2003 until December 2003 when he decided to run simultaneously as Abby Hoffman...
("this war is a mistake" --which is interesting since Vietnam war Kerry asked the Senate "how can you ask someone to be the last man to die for a mistake")
...and Richard Nixon
("I have a secret plan to win the war").

Now this guy is saying that SADDAM was an agent of PEACE in Iraq and the Middle East and that the problem in Iraq is Shi'a Arabs being allowed to vote for Iraqi leadership. Essentially, he is arguing this:
"The Iraqis are all a pack of cutthroat animals anyway; so, who cares what misery they were in under the Saddam and under the sanctions designed to contain him? And who cares about the aspirations of Iraqis who desired liberty whether Kurds, Shi'a Arabs, or Sunni Arabs? The point is to keep them all bottled up."

What you think Abbas? Would you like to live in Kerry's cage? His dog-fighting kennel? Because that's what Kerry thinks the Middle East should be. A pit for vicious hounds to tear into each other while the rest of us take bets on the winner.

I notice he doesn't bother to argue that the Pashtun Taliban in Afghanistan was an agent for peace, keeping the other wild ethnic groups "bottled-up" and keeping everyone else safe.

There's one other thing in his talk that you might have glossed over since you aren't as close to American politics everyday. He is arguing that the US forces in Iraq are KEEPING THE IRAQIS FROM MAKING COMPROMISES WITH EACH OTHER. The idea is that if the Iraqis knew the US was removing its military and financial support in a very short time, then they would be in such fear that Sunni and Shi'a Arabs would get together in a big group hug. Where does that register on the "wacked meter"?

Abbas Hawazin said...

cmar,

yes.

take care.

Jon in Maryland said...

Lynnette, thanks for the book recommendation. I made a note of it and will be on the lookout, although my favorite used book store closed in October. I picked up quite a few ME books in the going-out-of-business sale, and still have others in my car trunk! BTW, if you're interested in a book with an author who spoke to and followed the fortunes of a number of relatively ordinary Iraqis, both before the invasion and after, get Anthony Shadid's Night Draws Near. It's very poignant. The title is from a song sung by the first Arabic singer I ever heard, 44 years ago.

I thought it was probably an internet translation service. I might try that some time, but I haven't yet learned how to cut and paste! That should be your cue for ROFLYAO.

nadia n said...

Kerry? OK now I'm worried.

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Muhannad you are full of shit, you have referred to Asad as Asshead and Asad Abu Kherra on your boyfriend Jeffrey SHOEster's blog plenty of times. Because you are a filthy kherra brained hypocrite who says one thing in front of your American friends and another thing in your desperate attempt to be accepted by Arabs on this blog. You are an idiot, everyone realizes that and you keep saying that you will leave if asked but how can you be asked to leave a blog when most bloggers just flat out ignore you or only pay attention to you for two seconds to call you an idiot as Mr. Feikiki has? There is nothing worse than a fool that doesn't realize when he isn't welcome somewhere. That fool is you. As far as your never ending quest to continue seeking out information about bloggers that don't want to make that information public, are you completely brainless? If someone wants something made public they will blog about it. If and when Bassem, Omar or Zeyad want you or any of your disgusting American friends to know information about you then they will either let you know or they will blog about it. But don't hold your breath. And in case you haven't noticed all of this personal information about you was posted after you publicly stated that there was no problem with Jeffrey going behind Zeyad's back and getting information (attempting to get information) from his professor about him. It was immediately after you indicated your support of Jeffrey's efforts that information was quickly gathered about you and your father and posted publicly. So quit whining like the little faggot that you are.

Also you have avoided answering a few questions, quite possibly because you have no intelligent answer for them.

1) If bloggers don't want personal information about their immigration status know then is it or is it not an invasion of their privacy to continue asking and to ask their former professors?

2) If your friends openly state that they hate Palestinians then is it not hypocritical for you to continue that friendship under the rubric of "agreeing to disagree" while pretending that you still care about the Palestinian issue. As a non-Shi'a Iraqi would it be hypocritical of me to state unequivocally that I support Shi'a rights and then to continue to support and befriend those who openly state that they despise Shi'a and wish to see the Sunnis finish them off?

3) This has been brought up repeatedly and you keep avoiding it. Jeffrey SHOEster is not some innocent American blogger with an opinion. He is certifiably a nutcase. He stalked another blogger until that other blogger had to call the police. Jeffrey SHOEster, your friend, that you have boasted about having lunch and dinner with was forced to seek medical treatment over his obsession of a certain blogger. This same nutjob now is seeking out personal information about other bloggers. This doesn't raise any red flags in your shit filled brain?

Lynnette In Minnesota said...

Jon,

I've heard of that book. I'll check it out.

I might try that some time, but I haven't yet learned how to cut and paste! That should be your cue for ROFLYAO.

No, I wouldn't do that, considering some of the things I've been clueless about with computers. :)

Anyway, if you're serious about not knowing how, just highlight the words by left clicking your mouse and sliding it over the area you want highlighted, then right click on that area and choose "copy". Go to your favorite translate website and right click in the translate area and press "paste".

Cheers. :)

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