Sunday, February 24, 2008

The Myth of The Surge

Listen to Nir Rosen, this guy has got it nailed:

But such political maneuvers don't really matter in Iraq. Here, street politics trump any illusory laws passed in the safety of the Green Zone. As the Awakening gains power, Al Qaeda lies dormant throughout Baghdad, the Mahdi Army and other Shiite forces prepare for the next battle, and political assassinations and suicide bombings are an almost daily occurrence.



102 comments:

Jeffrey said...

Abbas,

Nir is a funny guy. I've been following his fastlane journalism career for several years now (See my "The Education of Nir Rosen," for example). He sent me the article in an email today and I've already finished it and I just had to laugh.

Nir is such a skull-and-crossbones, Pirates-of-the-Caribbean writer. Two years ago he put all of his chips on Iraq descending into civil war. That didn't happen and then the surge and the reduction in violence kicked him in the arse. And now he's been looking for a way to posit a new interpretation in which his original prediction will be accepted as truth.

Listen, it's just silly. He hangs around with thugs and then extrapolates that everyone in Iraq must be a thug. Huh? Do you want to know the truth? Nir is just a half-educated, ex-bouncer who likes hanging around with riff-raff. To me, there's more than a little comedy to his performances. Later in the week I'll post a close reading of his article and highlight the patent absurdities in his latest roman noir.

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Abbas Hawazin said...

Jeffrey,

I've been there, most of the people are like what Nir describes.

Those positive, American-loving pokemons you talk about sit scared shitless inside their homes.

Jeffrey said...

Abbas,

I'll take Nir's piece apart later in week. It's going to be fun. Hey, Nir has written a few good articles, but this isn't one of them.

Listen, of course Iraq has seasoned killers. It was a dictatorship with one of the bloodiest police-state apparatuses in the world for a quarter of a century, right? But there are also millions of Iraqis who are tired of the shit. They'll have a say in the end, too. Mark my words on that. Everyone lionized Fat Boy Muqty a few years ago. Now look at him.

Nir Rosen began as a knee-jerk leftist who went to Iraq specifically to give a black eye to Americans. It's not my interpretation. He's said so in black and white.

Take a look around the Iraqi blogosphere. I'll put money on this prediction. Within the next two days you'll see guys like Zeyad and BT and Omar eagerly linking to Nir's piece because they're so twisted in the head that they'd rather see Iraq flushed down the toilet than that America helps their country prosper. It's that fucked up, Abbas, and you know it.

"American-loving pokemons"? Abbas, you don't have to tell me that there are a lot of evil fucks in Iraq. Nir made a point of meeting and befriending a lot of them. I'm just saying that those people are only ONE part of the story.

Sad to say, because we've had a nice email correspondence, but Nir is kind of a hack writer.

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Jeffrey said...

Abbas,

It's kind of funny, isn't it? Here you're trying to convince me that Iraqis are mostly evil-minded thugs whose only conception of life is carving out one's place with an AK, and I'm trying to convince you that those murderers are only a subset of the population and that they can be contained with an effective government and well-trained police and military.

In short, you're telling me to forget about Iraqis and I'm trying to tell you to reconsider them and give them another chance.

Tres bizarre.

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Abbas Hawazin said...

You're simplifying things.

To get by your childish insults I would say that it's not something very strange for human beings to kill each other, you Americans have been doing it to yourselves at some point. You think that al-Maliki or the Sunni Awakening whoever can someday just 'abandon' their ways and grow into Abraham Lincoln, the government is nonexistent outside the G.Z. ; Muqty and Co run the show. And most importantly, Iraqis are not a single cohesive whole, like what you want yourself to believe, the religious differences between Sunnis and Shias is deep if not outright hostile as outlined by my previous post, having a religious government of any sort is a sure-fire method of a total declaration of war, and here's the problem: Shias will always choose a theocracy and that's a big problem the British quickly averted in 1921. They installed a non-Shia model, not to say that Sunnis are non-sectarian but the secular and intellectual Shias will never get the support of the Pope Sistani or any important cleric for that matter, let alone the poor common masses, they will be looked upon as atheists and communists. face it, this country is run by clerics now. Enjoy the prophecy of Gertrude Bell.

RhusLancia said...

It's also kind of funny that, now that the "Resistance" has flipped to our side, we find out that, oh yeah by-the-way, they are actually dark-minded people and not these superhuman, morally pure "freedom fighters", "true patriots", and "defenders of Iraqi honor" that they were mythologized as all these years.

And the critics of the new Iraq are so desperate to see Iraq go to hell again that this article is like soothing Prep-H to their hemorrhoids. Zeyad has already posted about it, and in comments @ 24's, An Italian has urged me to "Be diligent: go and read the excellent reportage by Nir Rosen Zeyad linked to today ...

LOL !"


I look forward to your analysis of it, Jeffrey.

RhusLancia said...

Abbas, don't worry- it really is simple. As soon as Obama takes office in Jan '09, he'll remove American combat troops and all the Iraqis who were waiting to reconcile will do so. All of the forces patiently waiting for their chance to get a piece of the new cooperation will do so post haste, as soon as we're gone. Nir Rosen says there was no serious sectarian conflict before our invasion. After we leave it will all go back to how it was. (/sarc)

Jeffrey said...

Abbas,

We did have a civil war over the issue of slavery around one hundred and fifty years ago. It remains the bloodiest war in our history. And I understand that there are deep pockets of resentment and anger within certain groups of Iraqis. I am not, however, willing simply to say that therefore the future must be bloody in Iraq. Why? I've lived long enough to see really strange things happen right in front of my eyes.

Like I've mentioned before, I lived in Berlin before the Wall came down in 1989, when the two Germanies were divided. Absolutely NO ONE in those years when I lived in Germany ever thought that reunification was possible. I mean, they didn't even THINK it. Also, I've traveled around China a bit and the changes that have occurred in the last ten to fifteen years is mind-boggling.

I'm about twice your age, Abbas. Now you may be right that Iraq will descend into chaos sooner or later as the long knives come out. But it is NOT inevitable, to my mind. You've been to Jordan so far, right? I've traveled all over the world for the last three decades and I've seen things that would really surprise you. Don't sell the Iraqis short just yet, Abbas.

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Jeffrey said...

RhusLancia,

I just swung through the Iraqi blogosphere to check out my hunch and -- my God -- I saw that, as you say, Zeyad has already linked to Nir's article!

C'mon, am I good or am I good?

Heh heh.

It's also kind of funny that, now that the "Resistance" has flipped to our side, we find out that, oh yeah by-the-way, they are actually dark-minded people and not these superhuman, morally pure "freedom fighters", "true patriots", and "defenders of Iraqi honor" that they were mythologized as all these years.

Nicely put and dead-on observation. Nir is willing to contort into any shape to make his polemic attractive.

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Abbas Hawazin said...

I don't think that Iraqis will reconcile once the US pull out, the war would just be more public and it will only end in the total annihilation of one side, judging by the Battle of Baghdad in 2006, that side would probably be the Sunnis.

Jeffrey, do you think I enjoy writing the stuff I write? I was the first person to support the US surge, thinking that brute force maybe would tuck those rebellious hairs in, but it's simply impossible - what Nir Rosen said (and Patrick whats-his-face of the Independent), regardless of what his intentions are, to me sounded truer than most other articles, of course I disagree that the Americans are actively behind that, but they are indirectly culpable as they failed to see it beforehand. The problem is inherently Iraqi, America, Iran or Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with it.

Jeffrey said...

Abbas,

Jeffrey, do you think I enjoy writing the stuff I write?

No, I don't. Listen, we debate here in the Iraqi blogosphere and we come from different perspectives. And yet we share, to some degree, a sense of humor. I may flame you a bit from time to time, but I know that you really care about your country and you would love to see Iraqis pull together as a nation. But it's hard for you to believe because you know all the tensions that are pulling them apart. You doubt that Iraq can hold together. I'm just saying from my perspective stranger things have happened. Riding across the countryside of China on packed buses and trains as the only Westerner makes you reconsider what is possible and what isn't.

I was the first person to support the US surge, thinking that brute force maybe would tuck those rebellious hairs in, but it's simply impossible - what Nir Rosen said (and Patrick whats-his-face of the Independent), regardless of what his intentions are, to me sounded truer than most other articles, of course I disagree that the Americans are actively behind that, but they are indirectly culpable as they failed to see it beforehand.

Patrick Cockburn. Both Nir and Cockburn do a good job of reporting the up-close and personal of some very unsavory characters. But those thugs are only one slice of the what Iraqis are like. They overlook the millions of Iraqis like Shaggy, Sunshine, Caesar, Sandybelle, and so many others who are getting on with their lives and hoping for the best.

Nir and Cockburn want to pull you to the Dark Side. Don't let them.

The problem is inherently Iraqi, America, Iran or Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with it.

It is indeed an Iraqi problem. But there is more than one possible outcome. The Nazis believed in a 1000-year Reich. You can do the math and figure out how long it really lasted.

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RhusLancia said...

Abbas: "I don't think that Iraqis will reconcile once the US pull out, the war would just be more public and it will only end in the total annihilation of one side, judging by the Battle of Baghdad in 2006, that side would probably be the Sunnis."

This is one of my most significant fears. I think there are many involved who want to see it fought to a clear victory by one side or another. I think the US forces have somewhat of a "capping" effect. That is, the violence cannot be as open or sustained with us there as it could be with us not there.

This may in fact prolong the struggle. As long as some people want it to boil, it will simmer instead as they dream of it boiling and wait for their chance. Rosen and Cockburn, in the mean time, will have little trouble finding topics to write about to offer that side "hope".

Eventually, if we stick it out, the ISF will be more competent and less sectarian, and the moderate majority will overwhelm the extremist minorities to make Iraq much better than even the best days under Saddam. That is my hope.

Anonymous said...

1- Part of the "surge strategy" is a PR offensive in the American Press. We have people saying now that "We are winning" and "The surge is working". I believe them about as much as I believed W before the war.
2-There used to be a show here called "The Naked City". It was a crime show about New York, and the slogan was "There are eight million stories in the Naked City". Now, fuddy duddy clerics notwithstanding, we could do a show now called "The Naked War". There are Twenty Seven Million Stories in the Naked War. Everyone...Iraqi, Refugee, Foriegn Troops, decent citizen, common criminal...everyone has a story that is different from everyone else.
chamblee54

annie said...

I'll put money on this prediction. Within the next two days you'll see guys like Zeyad and BT and Omar eagerly linking to Nir's piece because they're so twisted in the head that they'd rather see Iraq flushed down the toilet than that America helps their country prosper.

C'mon, am I good or am I good?


you're a loser. you can no more prove your allegation than fly to the moon. 'predicting' bloggers will link to the story is like predicting the sun will come up tomorrow, big deal. the question of why, is you false theory.

now that the "Resistance" has flipped to our side

seriously, sometimes your assertions are so full of crap. they have not 'flipped' we are just paying them now and giving them permission to do what they do and not kill us.

we find out that, oh yeah by-the-way, they are actually dark-minded people and not these superhuman, morally pure "freedom fighters", "true patriots", and "defenders of Iraqi honor" that they were mythologized as all these years.

the only people mythologizing these people are you and your breathen for the purpose of sarcasm. you w/your 'ewok' claims. what? you think if you say it enough if will transform into our mythology? another example of you being right? this is merely a circular back patting.

Nir is a funny guy

I just had to laugh.

just silly

there's more than a little comedy

It's going to be fun.

It's kind of funny, isn't it?

It's also kind of funny that

it really is simple.... (/sarc)

Heh heh.

we share, to some degree, a sense of humor.


wow, anyone care to lighten the mood? i find it interesting our local trolls aren't interested in dealing w/any of the issues in rosen's piece. just having a good laugh guys?

HA HA HA

critics of the new Iraq are so desperate to see Iraq go to hell

right. if you ask me it sounds as tho someone is grasping.


I'll take Nir's piece apart later in week.


yeah, get some staff on it first thing monday AM, nothing you can whip up at the drop of a hat this sunday morning.

annie said...

let's take a look at one of rosen's 'silly, fun' assertions, something i have said numerous times in the past.

whatever reconciliation the ISVs offer lies between the Americans and the Iraqis, not among Iraqis themselves.

chew on that one. the supposed PURPOSE of the 'surge' was not to build walls dividing iraqs, it was supposedly for 'political reconciliation'. yet am i the only one who has noticed the PRIORITY of the designers of the sirge appears to be a firming of links between all parties to themselves. dependency, where you take away that dependency and all hell breaks loose.

it has furthered the need of thr occupation, not lessoned it. neat trick?

Jeffrey said...

Annie,

I NEVER respond to Annie, but here I must.

You are attributing statements to me that I did not make. This is unacceptable on comments pages. Please be explicit about whose comments that you're quoting. I did not write "now that the 'Resistance' has flipped to our side." RhusLancia wrote that. You can simply put the name of the person you're quoting in front of the selected words or sentences. Like this:

RhusLancia: now that the "Resistance" has flipped to our side

Or you can use square brackets:

[RhusLancia]: now that the "Resistance" has flipped to our side

Or you can use normal reporting verbs and the corresponding punctuation:

Rhuslancia wrote, "[N]ow that the 'Resistance' has flipped to our side."

Or:

"[N]ow that the 'Resistance' has flipped to our side," RhusLancia wrote in a previous comment.

This is a BASIC issue on comments pages. While others have learned these simple rules, you continue to flail around. It's pathetic.

And I'm not even going to mention the fact that you failed to notice RhusLancia's irony in the rest of his comment.

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Anonymous said...

Jeffrey you're either gay and in love with Zeyad or you are stalking the Iraqi bloggers and keeping profiles on all of them. If Healing Iraq wanted you to know what his plans are he would have let people know via his blog; since he hasn't and you are questioning his acquaintances in an attempt to get information about him it makes you sick, sick, sick. Get a life--a life of your own and stop with the sick obsession you have about all the Iraqi bloggers.


Jeffrey -- New York Says:
January 27th, 2008 at 2:18 pm Jeff,
Sorry, this is OT.
It looks like Iraqi blogger Zeyad Kasim, whom you helped bring to the US, was part of the first graduating class in the new MA program at the CUNY Graduate School of Journalism. What is he doing now? Is he going to stay in the States or return to Iraq? It would be interesting if at some point you wrote up an overview of the progress the program has made since it started. I’d love to read any news about Zeyad or the MA program.

Jeffrey said...

Abbas,

I was doing some archival work this morning for a blog entry when I stumbled upon an old entry -- "Hope in the Middle East?" (May 28, 2005) -- that is written with all the sobering realpolitik that you yourself have been arguing for in your last few entries. In the middle of the essay, I write:

In the context of Middle Eastern culture, Al-Sadr was just employing one of the time-honored methods of getting ahead. Kill the competition. Saddam killed Al-Sadr’s father using that very logic. Assad did the same with Rafik Hariri. Ayatollah Khoemeini, once in power in Iran, simply rehired the Shah’s SAVAK torturers and put them to work in the name of Islamic despotism and tyranny. Nothing had really changed for the people on the ground. Like all the others in the Middle East for whom oppression is assumed as a basic component of life, they continued walking around in fear of doing the wrong thing, crossing the so-called “red lines,” and finding themselves inside a cell. For many, it made no difference if you lived in Iran or Iraq. If you were critical in either regime, you could quickly find yourself tied to a metal bedframe and jumper-cables used to rid you of your “bad thoughts.”

Maybe part of me does indeed agree with your pessimism.

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Anonymous said...

Jeffrey -- New York Says:
January 27th, 2008 at 2:18 pm Jeff,
Sorry, this is OT.
It looks like Iraqi blogger Zeyad Kasim, whom you helped bring to the US, was part of the first graduating class in the new MA program at the CUNY Graduate School of Journalism. What is he doing now? Is he going to stay in the States or return to Iraq? It would be interesting if at some point you wrote up an overview of the progress the program has made since it started. I’d love to read any news about Zeyad or the MA program.


Anonymous, yeah and notice the devious way in which Jeffrey tries to convince Jeff Jarvis to discuss the MA program, as if Jeffrey is interested in that! lol.

Jeffrey Schuster is one lonely, sick stalker.

Jeffrey said...

Not-Heads,

Okay boys, let me check the fridge.

*SQUEAK!*

*SQUEAK!*

All right, here's a block of cheddar cheese for the two of you.

*SQUEAK!*

*SQUEAK! SQUEAK!*

Now remember, I want you guys to SHARE and NO FIGHTING this time.

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Jeffrey said...

Is there anything more ridiculous than one "anonymous" talking to another "anonymous"?

I don't think so. A nullity talks to an nonentity. Oh, the courage they must have!

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anon 2 said...

Oh please tell us why you are such a sick stalker, Jeffrey Schuster? What is it that intrigues you so much about those Iraqi bloggers? Isn't it a rather unhealthy obsession? How do you get to spend any time with your Asian mail order bride when you're on Iraqi blogs all the time?

C'mon, you can tell us. Heh heh.

Lynnette In Minnesota said...

Jon?

I left a comment for you under the Norman Finkelstein post.

Anonymous said...

How shallow and empty must a life be in order for him to obsess over the lives of others. And he makes stupid jokes about it each time he is questioned about his twisted obsession about cheese and squeaks as though that will make people forget that this lonely faggot from Astoria lives and breathes to keep tabs on the movements and thoughts of the Iraqi bloggers. It's sick enough that he hops from one blog to the next seeking out personal information but it is quite another to blatantly ask the Professor of Healing Iraq to give him information about his former student. I wonder what his therapist would think about the fact that he's transferred his Raed Jarrar obsession over to Zeyad Kasim.

Lynnette In Minnesota said...

I already left a comment on the Rosen piece over at Zeyad's, so I won't repeat myself here.

One thing, though, that strikes me is the reaction of Jeffrey and Abbas to Rosen's piece. It really highlights the difference in outlooks. One, Jeffrey, has such a hopeful way of looking at events, and the other, Abbas, is far more pessimistic. It seems to be a big difference between Americans and Iraqis. And, sometimes outlooks can be self-fulfilling.

Oh, and Anonymi, I see nothing wrong in Jeffrey's interest in Zeyad and the other bloggers. We have been following them for quite some time. Indeed, we have helped, Zeyad for example, to come to the States. It would be rather cold and unfeeling if we didn't want to know what became of them. I, myself, have left a comment for Zeyad regarding this, too.

Iraqi Mojo said...

anon, Jeffrey is the founder of Iraqi Bloggers Central - as a blogger his job is to cover the Iraqi blogosphere and tell us about what he sees. IBC gives us the American perspective. Is the American perspective not allowed on Iraqi blogs? And Jeffrey is an active commentator. AND he asks a good question about Iraqi bloggers who came here on student visas. Will they return to Iraq after they graduate? I predict not. Which is of course completely natural, imo. NYC is preferable to Iraq right now. Should we not be allowed to discuss this?

anon, if Jeffrey is obsessed with Zeyad and Iraqi bloggers, you are obsessed with Jeffrey.

Anonymous said...

If Zeyad or any other Iraqi blogger wants Jeffrey or anyone else to know what our plans are in the future whether we are here on Visa or not we will announce it on our blogs but it is not appropriate to seek answers from our professors it is an invasion of our privacy.

anon 2 said...

If the blogger in question has decided not to publish his recent activities and visa status online (probably due to his concern for his personal and family's safety or maybe because he has so many enemies on these blogs who have even threatened to report him to the fbi or homeland security), then I believe he has a right to his privacy without having stalkers like Jeffrey asking his proffessors and close friends what he has been up to.

Iraqi Mojo, no you don't have the right to discuss someone elses activities (certainly not an Iraqi journalist and blogger who has been threatened for his views). How would you like it if commentators who clearly didn't like you and attacked you on blogs where going about trying to learn personal information about you? If you see nothing wrong with that, then maybe you should publish your address and what you do for a living and immigration status for all the world to see on these blogs.

Anonymous said...

American Mojo, please limit your ass licking of Jeffrey Schuster to your own blog it is not necessary for you to defend him on this blog. Wipe his shit from your upper lip you anti Iraqi traitor.

iraqi in U.A.E said...

His name: Muhanded Al Bayati or Zainy, it's been hard to discover which is his real last name, I found him on Myspace once but when I went back to investigate the next week I found that his profile had been removed or made private. His family lives in Dixon, CA you can google Mohammad Al Bayati although it seems that Muhannad spends much of his time working out of the East Coast. There has been one IP address that he has used consistently to post comments on various Iraqi blogs, including my own and its for a pharmaceutical company called Wyatt Inc. Someone named Arab Advocate has been snooping around my blog trying to amass more information about Iraqi American, since all information should be public maybe I should alert him to the information I already have?

Jeffrey didn't help Zeyad come here. He has been documenting the moves of Iraqi bloggers since the war broke out he doesn't have the right to any information about Mr. Kasim.

Lynnette if you think you deserve to have information about him because you may or may not have donated money to his paypal account then by all means email him and ask, but if he does not answer then you ought to have the decency to stop pursuing this personal information.

iraqi in U.A.E. said...

Also if his last name is not Bayati as Mr. Arab Advocate has led us to believe and indeed his family name is Zainy then it should be quite bloody obvious that the Mohammad Zainy that is frequently referenced on his blog is a family relation. Mr. Arab Advocate should probably know that as well.

Mr. Arab Advocate seems like he would love to stalk the Iraqi bloggers as much as Jeffrey, it would be nice to have the two balance each others out.

Anonymous said...

Iraqi in U.A.E.,

Can you give me some info on Lynette in Minnessota? I'd like to know where she lives, where she works, how many childrens she has, what school they go to. I'm just curious. I've been following her comments for a very long time and I think some personal background on her and her family would put her comments into context.

Iraqi in U.A.E said...

Anonymous, give me some time to get the information. Am totally willing to keep you all posted.

Iraqi Mojo said...

Hell no I wouldn't post my address, nor would I use my real name. Too many pricks calling me "traitor" in the Iraqi and Arab blogospheres! We know what Iraqis do to Iraqis deemed to be traitors.

Has Zeyad revealed anything such as address or whatever?? Has Zeyad even replied to Jeffrey? You anons seem to be making a big deal out of nothing. It seems you are bashing Jeffrey for being too nosy or something. As if Jeffrey is trying to do harm to Zeyad. Maybe you are upset because Jeffrey is always pointing out how stupid Saddam and the ba3thi boys were and continue to be, and he's always making fun of Arab losses. It's true what he says. Arab armies got their asses kicked several times. Maybe your pride is hurt. Maybe you are sad for once that the resistance has killed many more Iraqis than American soldiers, and you're taking your frustrations out on Jeffrey.

agulek SHLON mu6aya 3idna b hatha el wa6an el 3arabi?!?!?!?!?!

Anonymous said...

For disclosure sake.

Lynnette's infos is being worked on.

American Mojo is named Muhanned or Mouhaned Albayati or Zainy lives in Dixon CA and works in the East Coast for a pharmacy named Wayatt Inc. Also a relation of Mohammad Bayati and maybe Mohammad Zainy.

Zeyad Kasim lives in NYC and just graduated from CUNY school of journalism. Immigration status currently unknown, possibly bussing tables like a Mexican in a restraant.

Angry American aka Jeffrey New York
is a racist bigot named Jeffrey G. Schuster, who lives at 3060, Crescent Street, Astoria, New York 11102 and he is an adjunct instructor in the Modern Language Center at the Brookylyn Campus of Long Island University.

Married to a Chinese American, Yi, the marriage is evidently a sham one as he devotes almost his entire free time to stalking the Jarrar family from Baghdad and posting anti-Arab, anti-Islamic, sexist, and more recently anti-Qur'anic diatribes on various blogs.

A native of Iowa, he was awarded a B.A. from the University of Iowa and an M.A. from Hunter College.

Presumably his racism, bigotry and bizarre nocturnal behavior are things he keeps concealed from his employers.

His place of work: http://www.brooklyn.liu.edu/ bbut...ct_faculty.html

The Dean of the School of Continuing Studies is Nicholas Macdonald. His email is nick.macdonald@liu.edu

Disclosure is a bitch.

Iraqi Mojo said...

So Arab Advocate has been trying to know who I am, where I live?? Wow! That is very interesting indeed.

Iraqi Mojo said...

Oh and I have been loving Boston!

Anonymous said...

Zeyad if you don't want Schuster asking info about you then say so using your name instead of doing it anonymously :)

Abbas Hawazin said...

Guys, guys, please, if there are any assassinations in the near future, keep me posted.
You have my prayers.

Iraqi in U.A.E. said...

Anonymous I'm not pretending to be Zeyad but he is a friend of mine and I am friends with many of the Iraqi bloggers. I enjoy reading debates between the various Iraqi bloggers and I don't enjoy when Jeffrey ruins those interactions. I have also posted as Saleh and asked repeatedly for the discussions to be moved to Arabic language to keep them pure and prevent these foolish American pigs from ruining the comments sections of blogs. In the end it is easier for various reasons for bloggers to post in English, that is disappointing. I have also been on the internet long enough to know that when pigs like Schuster go poking around to find out personal info about bloggers that is not good news. I don't know what Zeyad feels about all of this because I haven't asked but if he hasn't posted what his status is on his blog then it isn't anyone's business to ask his acquaintances. Nuff said.

RhusLancia said...

Abbas: "I don't think that Iraqis will reconcile once the US pull out, the war would just be more public and it will only end in the total annihilation of one side, judging by the Battle of Baghdad in 2006, that side would probably be the Sunnis."

Should the US stand aside and let it happen, Abbas?

Jeffrey said...

Abbas,

I'm sorry these anony freaks have followed me here. I promise this is the LAST TIME that I'll respond to them on other bloggers' websites.

So, to all the Not-Heads, I will not respond to you anymore on other Iraqi blogs. If you want to engage me, come to IBC. I'll even give you my home phone number. And remember, that it was I myself who gave everyone my personal information. Have you forgotten already? So please, this "disclosure" comment is ludicrous.

Also, Mojo and Lynnette are correct to point out that it's the job of the crew at Iraqi Bloggers Central to promote and discuss ALL the Iraqi bloggers, which we've been doing for almost FOUR YEARS now. I've received many emails and comments from Iraqis thanking me for making their voices known to a wider audience. We also add our commentary, of course, which is only natural.

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Anonymous said...

@all

Since Mojo doesn't seem to mind people asking for sensitive information about Iraqi other bloggers but not himself:

Dr. Mohammed-Ali Zainy is Mojo's father. (Mojo, btw, is Muhannad Zainy, and he's used that name often in comments on the Angry Arab.) Dr. Zainy is an Iraqi oil expert living in London (but has US citizenship) and is quoted in many news articles. He also seems to be a more moderate, nonsectarian figure because he is adamantly opposed to the proposed Iraqi oil law draft, although at some point he returned to postwar Iraq to join the Green Zone government and was suggested as Iraqi Oil Minister. I even remember an occasion when he posted a comment on his son's blog publicly scolding him or calling him an idiot after he read his silly posts. There are tons of information about this family's history online. Al Zainy is a famous family from Karbala and Baghdad. They claim descent from the prophet's family. Seems Zainy was an Iraqi oil official before he defected to the West at an OPEC meeting in Vienna in the early 1980s. So much for Mojo's claims of his family being persecuted by Saddam's regime. LOL.

Jeffrey said...

Saleh,

Here's something to think about. When was the last time that Zeyad engaged anyone in a real debate?

Take your time.

Abbas is here arguing for his beliefs every day. I don't hear anything from Zeyad.

Don't get me wrong. Zeyad has written hundreds of interesting entries (at IBC we featured his writing and linked to him many times), but these days his blog is more or less defunct. Attrition. It happens to the best of us. It will even happen to IBC one day, I imagine.

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RhusLancia said...

Hey anonymous, is Layla Anwar Iraqi?

Iraqi Mojo said...

Why did Zainy defect?

Iraqi Mojo said...

"I even remember an occasion when he posted a comment on his son's blog publicly scolding him or calling him an idiot after he read his silly posts."

Wow I must have missed that one. Was that recently?

Jeffrey said...

Saleh,

One more point. I would love to see you guys create a functioning website where you discuss issues with each other in Arabic. Hey, guess what?! Laith from the Iraqi Blogodrome has already done all the work for you.

"Furaty," the Arabic-language website created by Laith, is already up and waiting for your first article:

Furaty.

Why not just start putting down your thoughts in Arabic over at Furaty instead of complaining?

Running and writing for IBC for all these years has been a hell of a lot of work. Why not get off your arse now and start researching and writing NOW?

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annie said...

I NEVER respond to Annie

lol

You are attributing statements to me that I did not make.

no, i did not. i copied text. if the shoe fits wear it. the only little anti iraq trolls who had posted before me are you, and Rhus the Simian Pinocchio. the post was in reference to both of you. my post was about both of your uses of this 'fun' funny' silly' attitude. if you don't like being lumped in w/your breathen so be it. i can address you however i see fit, or not at all. however, i never attributed something rhus said to you. so get over yourself, and by all means, mean it when you say never and don't respond to me.

wrt the "Hope in the Middle East?" quote..

In the context of Middle Eastern culture, Al-Sadr was just employing one of the time-honored methods of getting ahead. Kill the competition.

sounds like cheney. oh right, we didn't kill saddam we just facilitate.

hi Saleh, i for one appreciate iraqi bloggers posting in english because i learn alot and often become totally bored on american political blogs. also, chewing up trolls for the empire and treating them like the dogs they are can provide it's own rewards.

Jeffrey said...

RhusLancia,

I'm almost 100% sure that Layla is indeed Iraqi. To be honest, I really enjoy a lot of her writing. There's something hypnotic about her writing. She's very good at projecting her inner mood and manias onto the page. But she's one messed-up lady. Her morbid love relationship with Saddam is clinical.

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Jeffrey said...

Nitwit,

no, i did not. i copied text.

Yes, you copied text but failed to give attribution. Duh?

*

Iraqi Mojo said...

"Why not just start putting down your thoughts in Arabic over at Furaty instead of complaining? "

Because it's much more fun for them to attack you, Jeffrey. Any excuse to attack you and call me a traitor.

Jeffrey, have you ever asked Zeyad to reveal his address or something? What the hell is anonymous talking about?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, thanks a bunch for that information on Muhannad Zainy and his father Mohammad Ali-Zainy, that information is invaluable.

Iraqi Mojo said...

Also the schmuck could write his comments in Arabic, right here on blogger, and his friends can respond to him in Arabic. But the fool would rather pretend that Jeffrey is stifling discussion between Iraqis. It's funny.

Jeffrey said...

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Jeffrey, have you ever asked Zeyad to reveal his address or something? What the hell is anonymous talking about?

No, I have not. I've been a blog-friend of Jeff Jarvis's, the guy who helped Zeyad get into the new CUNY graduate program in journalism here in NYC. I was just asking Jarvis about Zeyad's future and how he assessed the first graduating class (Zeyad was a member of the first group to make it all the way through the program). In short, it's the usual nonsense with those cowards.

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it's the job of the crew at Iraqi Bloggers Central to promote and discuss ALL the Iraqi bloggers

the job?? who do you work for? what's the difference between this "job' and a hobby? does someone pay you? who's your boss? or is it a 'job' the way my 'job' is to chew up your stupid 'pro positive everything the US does' rational?

it's mt job!!!! lol, you crack me up. if it were your 'job' to blg, you wouldn't be on blogger, you would be on the ordinary net and if you were popular (pllleease!) you would have advertisers knocking down your door. you can't take your favorite passtime and call it a job dude.

We also add our commentary, of course, which is only natural.

yeah, but what isn't natural is the way you all think w/one mind, never deviate from empire speak, never sway off any empire path. borrrring! preDICKtable!

'Not-Heads'? is this special code, never mind , i don't need to know.

annie said...

You are attributing statements to me that I did not make.

you copied text but failed to give attribution


lol, so which is it? fyi, i did not 'FAIL' to give attribtions, i simply did not. you figured out when it applied to you, did you not?

for someone who NEVER responds to me you certainly are making a mountain out of a molehill.

what on earth difference does it make if i combine your's and pinocchio's words. here, i'll do it again just for the hell of it.


Nir is a funny guy

I just had to laugh.

just silly

there's more than a little comedy

It's going to be fun.

It's kind of funny, isn't it?

It's also kind of funny that

it really is simple.... (/sarc)

Heh heh.

we share, to some degree, a sense of humor.


so, you care to tell me what the hoot difference it makes who says what?

if you don't like it, lump it. and by all mean , keep your word and NEVER respond to me you idiot.

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correction: muhannad zainy aka iraqi mojo works at Wyeth Pharmaceuticals, not Wyatt Inc.

RhusLancia said...

Sorry to go back towards the topic of Nir Rosen's piece here, but Gordon Alanko (Acute Politics) had a shorty and slide show of a Sons of Iraq weapons cache turn in from Arab Jabour. He makes an interesting observation:

Turning over weapons, as the Sons of Iraq have done, is significant. American troops have a difficult time locating caches. Most are buried, and there is a lot of dirt to cover and few men. The Sons of Iraq would have had no trouble hiding weapons and storing them against the eventual departure of Coalition forces, to use against whoever tried to take their land.

Also, wouldn't such weapons caches be useful against the Iraqi government as part of a renewed insurgency, as many think (and hope and pray) that they are preparing for?

Sorry for the interruption. The anonymouses may now resume biographing people, and annie may now resume being a 'tard.

RhusLancia said...

BTW, if anybody has any information on anonymous's father, please let him know- he's dying to find out who he is.

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Just a quick note, becuase I have to run. No time to read all the comments.

Iraqi in U.A.E.,

Lynnette if you think you deserve to have information about him because you may or may not have donated money to his paypal account then by all means email him and ask, but if he does not answer then you ought to have the decency to stop pursuing this personal information.

I don't think it is a question of whether or not I deserve anything. And I have only asked him once in his comments section to fill us in on what he is up to. *shrug* It is his choice if he wishes to do so.

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