Saturday, February 23, 2008

Norman Finkelstien: Israel Has To Suffer A Defeat

Although I don't fully agree with this guy but I must say I'm pretty impressed.

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finkrlstien is very respected here. i heard him speak @the london book of review debate about 'the lobby'. he's a brilliant thinker.

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Jon in Maryland said...

Aha Lynnette, so you're the jasusah sahyuniyyah! Here I was trying to get a little rise out of the Kid (maybe that'll do it), and I get one out of you! You did see the :) after the Arabic, of course. (Or didn't you?!) But I'll just assume you know Arabic (and thus MUST be a jasusah, in view of your feigning ignorance of the language in the past!) until you convince me otherwise, by revealing your method of getting it translated.

In the spring of 1967, after returning to AUB from a trip of a week or so to the West Bank, a Palestinian acquaintance in the dorm seemed to be rather forceful in asking me where I'd been and what I had seen. Not much later an Armenian Syrian friend told me the Palestinian had said that he thought I was a CIA agent! So Palestinians, especially, can be rather paranoid, but they often have good reason to be.

Abbas, do you mind sharing with us which part you don't agree with? Finkelstein is an anti-Zionist Jew, or at least against the dispossession of the Palestinians in furtherance of the goals of Zionism. I kind of agree with his attitude about Condi, along with his attitude towards the pro-Lebanese government people greeting her. I won't repeat what I said about her after hearing her words defending not allowing a ceasefire resolution to go forward in the Security Council. Or should I say, shouted at the radio or TV. A thousand civilians killed (at least nothing like the 18 or 20 thousand killed as a result of the Israelis' 1982 invasion) and billions of dollars in damage to the civilian infrastructure, all for the goal of causing the Lebanese population to turn against Hizbullah. Use of violence against civilians to further a political objective. Sounds like a classical, objective definition of terrorism to me.

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Norman Finkelstein is fundamentally not so different from Alex Jones: A guy who has reduced the whole world and all of history to an ideology no less narrow than the point of a pin. I have friends like this. It's a kind of insanity. You can't even dispute people like that because you have to spend half an hour explaining why each clause out of their mouths is not just wrong but totally wacked. And they'll just wave it away anyway. They're kind of like people who think the moon landings were faked (a have a friend like that too).

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This guy argues from a lot of assumptions that aren't backed up by precident, e.g. "If Hizbulla laid down it's arms...you wouldn't have a war, that's true, but you (Hizbulla) would also be the slaves of the Americans".

While anything is possible and there are no guarantees, if the last major war (WWII) is any example, Germany and Japan have fared rather well, and don't appear to be "slaves of the Americans".

With any luck, Iraq will benefit the same way.

Assuming the people of Iraq want that.

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i find it amusing whenever compare americans incursions in the middle east w/countries who were occupied after loosing a war in which they were the aggressors.

Norman Finkelstein similar to Alex Jones? lol, cmar you never fail to make an a#% out of yourself.

reduced the whole world and all of history to an ideology no less narrow than the point of a pin.

really? perhaps you could be a little more specific. i'd say there is a rather wide swath of evidence finklestien resources. alex jones? he makes assumtions first and then looks for the evidence to back it up, which he very often does w/much success. all in all he has been quite prescient w/his assumptions. speaking of ideology no less narrow than the point of a pin, that fairly well describes zionist ideology.

Lynnette In Minnesota said...

Jon,

Bwahahahaha!

Nah, you won't get a rise out of the Kid. He's one of those strong silent types. Except when he's talking to Jeffrey. Yes, I did see the :). I did laugh didn't I? :)

But I'll just assume you know Arabic (and thus MUST be a jasusah, in view of your feigning ignorance of the language in the past!)

See how easy it is to screw with people's minds? :) No, I don't know Arabic. I just used Google Translate for that. You must have been writing in MSA or whatever version of Arabic Google Translate uses, becuase it did a decent job. Now if you had been writing in Iraqi, it wouldn't have worked so well.

Speaking of paranoia though, I started an interesting book the other day. "Middle East Journal" by Laila Abou-Saif. It's basically a book of interviews with different people in Egypt, where she was from. Among them was Naguib Mahfouz(the novelist) and another was Yassir Arafat. It was printed in 1990, but I found it when I was browsing in a used bookstore. It's really a fascinating look at the thoughts and ideas of people in the Middle East.

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